Turn Your Pain Into Purpose: How Breathwork Transforms Trauma

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I'd love to help you get vulnerable.

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Let's get naked.

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Hey everyone, I'm Ann.

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Welcome to the let's Get Naked podcast, where we dive deep into vulnerability.

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In this space, we'll explore what triggers us, uncover the patterns holding us back and discover how to take charge of our own growth.

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If you're ready to dig in, be vulnerable and face the tough stuff, then buckle up.

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It's time to get naked.

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There's something truly powerful about individuals who've faced pain real deep, gut-wrenching pain and decide to turn it into purpose.

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These are the people who've been to hell and back, not just to survive, but to learn and grow.

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And when they rise from that suffering, they don't just keep their wisdom to themselves.

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They turn it into a mission, a mission to guide, to heal, to help others navigate their own dark nights of the soul.

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These people don't just go through the fire.

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They emerge from it with the courage to hold space for others to walk through it too.

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The truth is, it takes something extraordinary to listen to that calling from the universe to take your pain, your struggles, your scars and make them your life's work.

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It's not about wearing a healer label or becoming some guru who sits on a pedestal.

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It's about being brave enough to admit that you've been broken and instead of letting it defeat you, you've decided to help others rebuild.

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These individuals know what it's like to feel lost, overwhelmed and utterly powerless.

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But instead of retreating, they step forward and say I've been there and you can heal too.

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They show up raw, real and unapologetic and create spaces where others can start their own healing journeys.

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What's even more incredible is that these people don't judge others for their pain.

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They hold space, even when it's uncomfortable, even when it challenges them.

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They create the room for healing to happen, not by offering perfect solutions or quick fixes, but by being present, by listening deeply and by offering compassion.

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They understand that healing is messy, nonlinear and deeply personal, so they stand by while others navigate their own paths, knowing that true transformation takes time.

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This is the magic of those who have turned their own trauma into a mission.

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They've answered the universe's call to not just survive, but to guide others towards their own resilience.

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They've chosen to be the lighthouse for others lost in the storm, and the bravery it takes to do this, to open up, to be vulnerable, to be present for others cannot be overstated.

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It's a gift, and it's one that the world desperately needs.

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These individuals are the unsung heroes holding space for us to heal, grow and, ultimately thrive.

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And if there's one thing we need more of in this world, it's people who have learned how to turn their pain into something powerful enough to help others rise.

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On today's episode, we're going to be talking with someone very important to me in my healing journey.

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She is someone that I work with regularly to do intense work.

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Among other things, she guides people through breathwork sessions that are powerful and impactful.

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Breathwork is an incredible healing modality that taps into the most powerful tool you already have your breath.

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It's always with you, available in every moment, and, when used consciously, it can unlock profound healing.

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Through intentional breathing techniques, breathwork helps release stored emotions, reduce stress and calm the mind, creating space for deeper self-awareness and transformation.

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It's a simple yet powerful practice that can support you on your healing journey, whether you're processing trauma, seeking clarity or just looking to connect more deeply with yourself.

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By harnessing the breath, you tap into an ancient, accessible resource that can guide you towards emotional balance, inner peace and overall well-being.

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Breathwork isn't just about relaxation.

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It's about using your breath as a gateway to healing, growth and personal empowerment.

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Today, we're stripping it all off with Ksenia.

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Welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Yeah, absolutely so.

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I would love for you to start by just kind of describing in your own words what it is that you do, just to kind of set the stage so that people know when I say that we work together, what does that even look like?

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Absolutely Well.

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First off, I just want to say wow, you nailed so many of the key points in your introduction and with everything you are saying, and really I think what I do is hold space.

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You landed on it so beautifully.

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I'm not ever trying to fix anything within you, outside of you.

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I'm never trying to change anything.

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I am just holding space for what is.

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I'm meeting people where they are, I'm seeing them, I'm offering compassion and I'm holding space for deep transformation With the breath.

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It is so wild what is possible, and it's really hard, as you know, to say what that is or what that looks like without trying it yourself.

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Sure, because everyone's experience is always so different.

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Sometimes there's tears, sometimes there's laughter, sometimes all in one session there's tears, then laughter, then tears.

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It is really so profound what is possible with just the breath.

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I think so many people think to have a transcendental, wild experience you have to go on to the rainforest or on some journey or leave for a month or three months, when really all you need is like half an hour to an hour, your own breath and somewhere to lay down yeah, you know and the presence to be able to go there.

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Yeah.

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So I think that if everyone was aware of what is capable with just our breath, something like you mentioned we use every day, we're already so aware of it, but if people could know what is possible with it, I like.

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I wonder what the world would look like.

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I know, I know Well, and it's interesting because, for our listeners, the first time that I was introduced to breathwork it was when I was in rehab eight years ago and it was so incredibly powerful.

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I had an out of body experience.

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I was able to really witness things, kind of from the the ceiling, you know, and deal with some trauma that came up and I was like, holy shit, what just happened?

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Because it was.

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It's better than any, you know, like anything that you can do.

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And then after I came home, obviously life happens and I'm just trying to get my life together.

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But then last year I was in California on a trip and I was going to a gym that had, you know, some wellness place that had some breathwork classes and it just reminded me, oh my God, that was really powerful for me when I did that.

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And when I came back I did some research and I found Ksenia and just adore her.

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I have turned my life into a little bit of a people would say weird, because on Saturday nights, once a month, I have Ksenia come over to the house and I invite some of the people in my inner circle to come over and do a joint breathwork session and it is powerful stuff and you know being able to really release things like you said, crying, laughing sometimes you have a really, you know, high uplifting experience.

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Sometimes you have a gross pulling up trauma and releasing it experience.

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Sometimes you have a gross pulling up trauma and releasing it experience.

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But what she's talking about, as far as just holding space, is a very important, very important thing to have as you're going through your healing journey.

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Because you know you say that to some people and they're like holding space, what does that even mean?

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But if you've ever had someone hold space for you or if you've ever held space for someone else because it doesn't necessarily have to be in breath works, it can be in other things too Just being there for someone, being willing to listen, being willing to not judge, being willing to allow them their own agency to really be able to kind of work through the different things that they've been carrying around, that's a powerful thing.

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It's a powerful thing to receive and it's a powerful thing to offer to people as well.

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So how long have you been doing the breathworks or the?

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You know, the healing?

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modalities that you do Right.

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So over 10 years at this point, and when I first found breathwork, I mean it was like your experience, you know I was like I was bawling, I was releasing, I would.

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I mean it was just wild and I was like how did I not know?

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about this.

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How is this possible?

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Cause at that point I'd been on my spiritual path for, you know, four or five years like deep and when, and I feel like in the spiritual community people always say you just got to let it go, just let it go, release it.

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And it's like, yeah, we want to let it go.

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We don't want to hold onto that pain, that trauma, that grief, but like how right, you know.

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So when I found breath work, it was like that missing piece of like here is how I can physically, tangibly, somatically, move this out and through my body, and not just in a way where I'm releasing it, but in a way where I'm sitting with it through my body.

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Yeah, and not just in a way where I'm releasing it, but in a way where I'm sitting with it, being with it, feeling it, really processing it and then letting it move through.

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Yeah, it makes it so it doesn't have power over you anymore.

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All of this shit that we don't realize we even are have pushed down there.

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That's the powerful part for me is, you know, after we do these, these sessions, and being able to sit and talk with people in my circle about what you know, what came up for you or what was that like for you, and and being able to listen to other people's experiences has been really neat.

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You know, and for me, I'll go see Ksenia by myself, I'll see her with one other person.

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You know, when people are interested and say, like, what does that even look like?

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And every single time it just blows the doors off of everyone that I bring to come see you, and so we will definitely put on the show's notes how to get in touch with Ksenia so that, if you're interested and want to find out more about it, that you can, because I think it's amazing Absolutely.

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Will you take us back a little bit and kind of give us a little history of what makes you who you are, where you were born, what your family life looked like, kind of?

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What are some of the ingredients that make up your recipe?

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Absolutely so.

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I was born in Russia, in St Petersburg, russia, and me and my mom moved to the States when I was only six years old, and so it was just her and I, and at that point neither of us spoke English.

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So it was a very big move and at that point not a ton of people were immigrating from Russia.

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So it really was special.

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And my mom she's a very strong, very independent woman and when she gets an idea she's following it through.

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So she had this vision of us moving to America and she didn't know what that would look like or be like or you know anything that would come from it.

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But she had this vision and so she made it happen and we moved.

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We traveled through First.

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But she had this vision and so she made it happen and we moved.

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We traveled through first.

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We landed in Cleveland, ohio, then from there we went on to Omaha, nebraska, and then from there we landed in California.

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So we kind of did, you know, a path through, and it was really just her and I and we learned the language.

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She ended up going back and getting a degree from Creighton University, becoming a physical therapist, and now she's the director of her facility.

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So she really, when people talk about like the American dream, that was really my mom.

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You know we moved here.

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She was washing dishes at like a pizza place for under the table money and for, like you know, probably three dollars an hour or something and she's really built like a very successful, very beautiful life and career out here.

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So it was very inspiring to see that.

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And on the flip side there was definitely some challenges because my dad and really all the rest of my family was still in Russia.

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So you know that was a lost connection and my dad and I are closer now.

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But I think growing up it was hard, you know, to grow up with just one parent and at that time too, you know now we can WhatsApp, and you know to grow up with just one parent and and at that time too, you know now we can WhatsApp and you know send messages and videos and pictures.

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But at that time, you know, international calls were a lot more difficult and so very expensive yeah.

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Especially for us at that time, so it wasn't something that was as accessible.

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So I think, you know, that part was definitely harder and, along with, my grandparents were back in Russia and my aunt ended up moving out here with my cousin and my uncle.

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So that was really cool.

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They landed in Omaha, nebraska, and so you know, some of some of my mom's family, my grandma and my grandpa, ended up coming out.

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So it was nice because we did, you know, build some family out here.

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But still, I think you know, moving from your country, especially at a young age, it is difficult.

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It's funny.

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I was just talking to my husband about this but I was so blessed because moving, landing right in the Midwest, I had a very strong accent.

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I'm sure I didn't really know any words, but I always told him that I never really felt like an outsider.

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No one ever at my school made fun of me or made fun of the way I spoke or anything like that.

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So I was so lucky to have that immigrant experience, because I know that's not the case for a lot of people, um, so I'm just, I'm very grateful for the way that that panned out.

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Yeah, um, but you know, at the same time it's, it's wild, coming here and not.

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I remember just going into a store and they have like those samples, you know where you can like sample different things or you like.

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You know it's like the loose bin, so I'd like grab a pretzel or something.

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I'm like this is so crazy.

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They just like have food like this you can just have a like.

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To me it was just like different little cultural things like that were so mind blowing and so different than you know, in Russia we still had like a store where you go for milk, a store where you go for meat, a store where you go for bread, so it was like a very you know.

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It's.

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Even like the idea of a supermarket was like mind blowing to me at the time.

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Yeah, so I think you know, culturally it was really interesting coming here and, um, so that was kind of my, my younger childhood.

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And then, oh my gosh, when I was about 12 or 13, I just went so wild and so that was like real and I think at the time I was really searching for like these big, transcendental, wild experiences, which I still am, but I just didn't know how to find them in a healthy way and I was still in some ways searching for ceremony and ritual, and I talk about this all the time because, even if you think, I know you said that you've had some issues with drugs and alcohol.

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You shared about rehab.

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I think, even you know, as an alcoholic, as an addict, there's these rituals and these like ceremonies and these ways of obtaining and then using, and then you know, so it's very ritualistic in nature.

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So I wonder how many people are seeking out a ritual experience or a ceremony or a transcendental, moving experience, but just don't know where to look.

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You know, and so I really think maybe that was me.

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Yeah, does that make?

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sense it totally does, because even when you said that, it made me think that as far as just like you said, with the drinking, it very much is like you have your whole ritual around that or whatever your drink is or whatever.

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It is very much similar to that.

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So that has my has my curiosity piqued about that for myself, yeah, yeah, and it's because I think you know.

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So.

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I wonder if we were to expose rituals and ceremonies, and even like rites of passage, to our kids and to our communities at large, maybe people could find these same things that I was looking for, but just in a healthier, better way, and could.

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Because for me sometimes now, when I do breath work, it is like better than any psychedelic trip I've had, better than mushrooms, better, you know, than anything, and so it's like if I would have known that at 13 or 14, maybe, you know, instead of, instead of turning to other things, I could have been like oh wow, this is accessible just within me, just with the breath.

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So I think about that sometimes.

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But anyways, going back to then, that that wasn't even on my mind at all.

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I was just, you know, really looking to have the biggest, wildest, craziest experience, and it was a lot of fun.

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Yeah, you know, it was a lot of fun until it wasn't, until it wasn't, until it wasn't, so so you this is like from where we left off was you were like 13 starting to do that.

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Was your mom working a lot Not around?

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Yeah, yeah, my mom was working, yeah.

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That is so insightful of you to say, cause my mom was working a ton.

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You know she was a single mom.

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She was, um, just, you know, really trying to excel in her career, really trying to build her clients, really trying to build herself, sure, and so for me, I was kind of I I love the freedom you know at the moment, and so my house was always kind of the house that you know you're, you could always come to, you're always safe.

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Even if you'd been drinking or whatever.

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You know, my mom would take you in, offer you a pickle, try and sober you up.

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I love it.

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Um, so it was.

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It was a lot of fun, like I said, but there was definitely a lot of boundaries pushed and a lot of boundaries that were non-existent.

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Growing up as well and that's even something as an adult, I'm still working through, sure you know, with setting my own boundaries with my kids or with my husband, or not overstepping boundaries as well.

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So, you know, I think the things that we experience in our childhood really very much carry through.

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And so, as an adult, we're kind of trying to process and see what that looks like in our own life now.

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Yeah, and how that contributed to you.

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I think a lot of people when I speak to them and they don't realize how powerful and impactful your childhood is.

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It's like.

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That's where everything stems from, like.

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And if you don't realize that and you're not kind of addressing that or looking at that, willing to be self-aware about some of the things, or reprogramming you know, getting rid of limiting beliefs, whatever it is that you're working through, if you haven't looked at that, to me it's, it's powerful work it's.

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It's some of the most powerful.

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That's what.

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I think too Right.

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I look at that and I'm like, as soon as I started going inward on myself and getting curious about myself and why do I do this or why do I do that, or why do I have this limiting belief?

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Does this really resonate with me?

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You know, um, I've told people I was raised with a lot of organized religion didn't resonate with me Like at a molecular level.

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It felt like it was grading against everything that I believed in, you know and so.

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So being able to really say, okay, fine, that doesn't.

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But what does land for me?

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What does resonate, you know, and for me, that's been my entire spiritual journey of, okay, what, what hits for me, right, so that's, that's awesome.

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Yeah, and I think too so much of the stuff that we're healing.

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And I think too, so much of the stuff that we're healing it's not just for ourselves, it's for our parents and for their parents and for their parents' parents.

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So a lot of the work that comes up with breathwork specifically is very generational in nature.

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It's very ancestral, going even further back in nature, and a lot of our ancestors didn't have the time or space or means to do this type of work.

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So I always say, as we heal, we're really doing this work for our whole lineage, which is so powerful to think about, like we get to be the ones that do it now, right, and also it's like shit.

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We have to be the ones that do it now Exactly, and it's all about perspective right, Because it's like I have to do this or I get to do this Exactly.

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Perspective right, Because it's like I have to do this or I get to do this.

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And so for me I definitely come from the I get to do this right.

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Because if I'm going to seem like, oh fuck, I got to do this again, you know it's like no, I want it to be yeah, I want it to be this adventure, I want it to be this exploration of figuring things out Exactly, and so not just on an internal level, right.

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But now the external circumstances are safe enough, are stable enough, are supportive enough for us to get to explore and to get to have the time and the space and the means to dive deep and to really see, to unpack all of that stuff you know, Because for our parents or for our grandparents, maybe they were just in survival mode, maybe they were just making those ends meet.

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And if you don't have it's like that hierarchy of needs right If you don't have those basic needs in place, it's like how are you going to have time or space or even mental capacity to be able to go deep and to do this work?

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So it's really a privilege to be here today and, you know, getting to dive into all of this.

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Yeah, no doubt you know you mentioned something about the generational aspect of it and we had done a really important session at your, at your studio, where we had done kind of the feminine energy and the and the female line on my side.

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And it's interesting because after I, after we did that, my mom and I spoke a couple of months ago and she said something about going to like a trauma conference and she said there's just something that's opened in me and I just had to chuckle a little bit because I don't again.

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I don't know if that had anything to do with it.

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It does, but my mom has never been like.

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They grew up where therapy wasn't really a thing, you know.

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So to be a woman at 75 years old, who's like I'm going to dive into this, I'm like I couldn't be more proud.

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Yeah, I couldn't, yes, yes, kudos Incredible.

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It is because it's so powerful, and so I was able to share with her just a little bit about our session and that I had done some work on that, and then I was really proud of that being something that let's open some things up, let's talk about the stuff they didn't use to do that.

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There was very much shame and guilt and everything that surrounded them.

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You know, and we've talked about women not having choices, you know it's.

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It's interesting because people now look at things and think, well, why didn't they just do it different?

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Why didn't they just whatever?

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They didn't have choices.

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Women weren't equal earners.

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Women weren't able to just do what they wanted to do.

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It was a lot of different circumstances.

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Also, we didn't have the internet.

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We didn't have whatever.

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You didn't know if what you were going through was normal or not you know.

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So.

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So being able to kind of open that up has been super powerful.

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Absolutely.

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And it's wild because it's just, you know, we think, and it's like just a generation back you know, look at how much has changed.

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Look at and then, if you think back, like three generations, what about five generations?

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You know what I?

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mean yeah, so it's wild to think about how many options and how free we truly are.

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So it is really, really cool.

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It's a special time to be alive, I think.

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And it's just incredible to be able to do this work right here and right now it is just incredible that we have that opportunity, and I love what you said about your mom.

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I know.

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Because, truly, this work does carry forth and I want to love that what you said about your mom because truly, this work does carry forth.

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And I want to point out something really important here because not only does it carry forth to the people that came before us, but also to our own kids and the people that come after us, all through our lineage, right Cause it's like if we break that generational stuff now, if we set a new, different way of being, if we create new habits, new patterns, new neuro pathways, now it gets to look so much different for our kids as well absolutely so.

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It's.

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It's, you know, it's really the work that I do.

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It's really potent because not only is it healing those that came before you, as you saw with your own mom, but also, like, what about our daughters and our sons?

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And you know everyone that comes after.

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So yeah, when we were on that trip a year ago, um, my son and my husband would go with me to the breathwork sessions and stuff and absolutely love it, right.

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I would drag my brother along, I drag all sorts of people in, and so, again, maybe that's not the popular thing.

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It's like, hey, you want to go heal some trauma with me, you know, but everyone that knows me knows I'm an odd duck and that's, you know, it know.

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It's not like, hey, you want to go to the bar.

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It's like, hey, you want to come over, we're going to, we're going to open the spirit world and heal some trauma, some generational trauma.

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But you know what?

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I have a group of people that's like, fuck, yeah, I'm in.

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You know what I mean, and those are my people.

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Those are my people.

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The people that are like let's get deep, let's do some stuff, not just the rinse lather, repeat, let's heal some things.

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You know, I send my daughters to you, as you know.

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I mean, I, just I, I can't, I can't um brag about you highly enough of just you're such an amazing person to hold space and, like you said, it's not, there's no magic in any of that, but what you do is such important work that it is magic.

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You know, I mean there is magic in the mission.

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I'm not trying to take that away from you Exactly.

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It's like I'm just going to put a little magic there, a little magic there, but holding space for people is really, really important, as you know, and you've been able to just witness that.

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What is that like?

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I just thought what a beautiful life you have to be able to witness.

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Yes, okay, yeah, say more about that.

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I would love to talk about that.

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And I want to talk to uh, speak to what you just said, too, about you know, people are choosing to have these different experiences now, right Before.

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It'd be like hey, let's go out to dinner or something, or hey, let's go grab a drink or whatever Right yes.

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But you would be surprised it is becoming so much more mainstream.

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Like you say, you're an odd duck but honestly, like we're getting more and more odd ducks out here truly yes, because now, even like, I'll have bachelorette parties reach out to me, right.

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Yeah, they want to do breath work, they want to do shamanic healing yes, and it's like, really like for your bachelorette, this is so cool or people celebrating their birthdays.

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They want to have these experiences.

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So, more and more, I think is becoming mainstream, even to the point where, um, like the real housewives, yeah, of salt lake city reached out.

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Oh, I did a shamanic ceremony and breath work for them.

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Yes, the basketball wives right so this is now vh1.

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Bravo.

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Millions of people are getting to see this.

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So the fact that people are even open to witnessing this, the fact that I can hold space and people can have that experience and be curious about it like that's mainstream at this point you know, we're no longer the odd ones out Like this is spreading.

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So to see that kind of growth, to see people open-minded enough Cause I think back like 10 years ago oh my gosh, they would never have that kind of thing on TV.

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I don't think you know it's like no, but now that it is, uh, you know, really entering, I think that group consciousness, that collective consciousness, and people are open to it like amazing yeah.

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Well, I think too, people.

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Maybe people are starting to realize the more work you do on yourself, the better we are collectively right, Absolutely.

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So it's like you know, you would see, I would see those things earlier in life about like the change you want to be seeing, like all of that stupid corny, whatever but it's not wrong, you know it's like.

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The more that I work on myself and just improve myself, go all in on myself yes, the better it is for everyone, for myself, for the people that are, you know, connected to me.

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the people that are outside of that connection.

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I mean this if we all work on ourselves and if we all better ourselves, if we all come back to our own truth, the whole world is better.

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That's every single person, right.

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Yes, it's just trying to get that message through to all of these.

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Like we've spent generations creating people pleasers.

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We've spent generations creating people that are taking care of other people and that it feels selfish to take care of yourself, and it's like we have to break that.

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We have to break that stigma.

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We have to break that mindset because it is more powerful to go in on yourself.

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If you go in on yourself, you're better for yourself, You're better for everyone else that's around.

00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:16.590
You.

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Put your own mask on first, you know, and that's the work that I do, you know, with Casey or with other people.

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It's like I'm trying to break that.

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decades long people pleaser stuff which also, she got handed down from her mother right, and so her being able to really see that and see the impact that that's having on her daughter, to be able to look and say like, wow, mom's really paying attention to herself and bettering herself Look at that spider web that goes out from that.

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I mean, it gives me goosebumps just to think about.

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Yes, let's be the change.

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For you know, for all of the things, Absolutely Excellent.

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And then, to answer your other question, you said what?

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is that like right to?

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hold that space incredible.

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Yeah, it is so beautiful to witness people coming face to face with those shadow aspects of themselves that they hide away from shy away, from feel guilt or shame around, like to bring that stuff up and to show that the dark and the light make us whole.

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Yes, right, like it's not all just love and light, we do have these shadow aspects of ourselves and instead of like hiding or stuffing, what if we just integrate them?

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And say I see you and you're welcome here Absolutely Okay, right.

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So for to witness people having those moments it like sometimes in sessions.

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It will bring tears to my eyes because it is so profound and it is so beautiful to witness.

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And the other thing I will say it's so fun to do this work because each session is so different.

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So right.

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So people will come to me.

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I've never worked with them before, I never know what to expect, to hold space for them and where they're at in that moment.

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It is always so unique.

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And then everyone also comes in with their own spiritual team, which is very different flavors, and that's really fun to witness.

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So even for me as a practitioner, I'm always learning something new, I'm always witnessing something different.

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I'm always connecting the spirit in a different way through people.

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So it's like I'm always spiritually growing as well which is such a gift and it's it's really really fun to answer your question.

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It is really cool to witness and, you know, I think it's really really fun to answer your question.

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It is really cool to witness and you know, I think it's definitely not for everyone, because so many deep emotions come up, so much anger and rage can come up, so much grief and pain can come up right, and for some people that can be very uncomfortable to even be in the same room as, but for me I'm like, yes, let's go there, let's unearth that we are on the right track right.

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Like.

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This is what we're here for is what I always say to my clients when that stuff starts coming up, it's like this is what we're fucking here for.

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Let's do it.

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Yeah, so, um, I think it does take a certain type of personality to be able to hold all of that.

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And for me, you know, I've personally run the whole gamut of emotions, of things, of experiences.

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I always say I've lived like 10 different lives, you know, so it would take a lot to surprise me.

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Yes, you know, and so I think that that's a really good characteristic for a space holder.

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Sure, it's just kind of that like fucking cool.

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You know what else?

00:29:07.525 --> 00:29:08.367
Bring it on.

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Yes, exactly of that like fucking cool.

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You know what else?

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Yes, exactly what is the biggest group of people that you have held space for?

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I know that we you've come to my house and we've- had you know, maybe eight or ten or six or eight people, um kind of is the biggest one that I've been part of, but yeah, so the biggest group I did, um about two years ago is over at the Andaz Resort in Scottsdale and it was 44 people is what I, yeah, what I cut it at and I had.

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I didn't have anyone else holding space with me, it was just me and, as you can imagine, that group energy is so powerful, right, and I am only one person.

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So you know, people are having releases.

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I'm here, I'm there, I'm here.

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It is so much fun honestly to hold space for, because, um, what happens in a group setting, as you know, it's we all bring our own stuff out and then that can trigger something in someone else, and usually when people say trigger, it's like viewed as a negative connotation, but in this case it's something so beautiful, right, because, say, you're trying to hold it together and you're like, oh, I'm feeling some stuff, but I don't know, and then someone next to you just starts screaming, right, and you're like, oh, I'm feeling some stuff, but I don't know, and then someone next, to you just starts screaming Right.

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Then you're like oh yeah, I could do it too.

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I want that.

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You know, or it gives you permission, exactly, exactly, that's the perfect way to put it.

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Or you know, if you're kind of not a big crier and you're like, oh, but I feel these emotions coming, but I'm just not comfortable going there.

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But all of a sudden someone next to you is sobbing, then you're like, yeah, I can do that too.

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I have permission to go there as well.

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And I love that you said permission, because what I do at the beginning of almost every group is I say, right now, we are giving ourselves permission to show up fully and to go there, and I even have people raise their hand.

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Yeah, I'm like do you give yourself permission?

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Yeah, you know.

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Yeah, because, honestly, nine times out of ten, the only thing standing in our own way is us.

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Well, and that's a problem too.

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I think so many we've spent all of this time of like pushing that down, and nobody wants to be embarrassed in front of anybody else and so you don't listen to your gut or to your knowing about what you're supposed to do For me.

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In the last couple of years I've really tuned into that to the point where you know if I'm in ceremony with somebody, with not necessarily breathworks but other things that I'm doing, if my body is telling me get in child's pose, if my body is telling me lay down, if my body is telling me go, do whatever it is, I am quiet enough to listen to that whisper.

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And I used to, I remember, and I was doing a ceremony where it was intense and I didn't know anyone that was there and my body just kept telling me get in child child's pose, get in child's pose, get in, get in child's pose.

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And I'm like I don't want to do that.

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Like no one else is doing that Everyone's sitting Indian style.

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You know like I don't want to.

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I don't want to do that and I literally did and just had the best possible release, because you listen to your own body and it's like it needs you to do that.

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It needs you to honor it.

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It's done with being silent.

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It's done with you not listening to yourself and trying to like be cool, so nobody else thinks whatever.

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Fuck what other people think.

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Fuck what other people think.

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I always say that I know it's like wait, that's nonsense.

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Do you be on your own journey?

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That's the important component of that.

00:32:02.404 --> 00:32:04.049
And that takes a certain level of trust right.

00:32:04.049 --> 00:32:13.846
So you go to your own ceremony and you're like well, what does my body?

00:32:13.846 --> 00:32:14.951
Want to do or is it okay to cry or is it okay to move?

00:32:14.951 --> 00:32:19.526
Right, and then you do do it a couple of times and then you're like, okay, I can trust myself, Right, I can step into my experience, I can embody my experience and you have more space to actually hear.

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So I always tell my clients I'm like, if you need to move, move.

00:32:22.729 --> 00:32:23.830
If you need to scream, scream.

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If you need to dance, dance you know, know your body better than I can ever cue it right Like I don't know what it's feeling like, I don't know what the best, optimal way for you to release right now would be, but if you tune in, if you quiet, quiet down enough to hear, you do know.

00:32:37.993 --> 00:32:41.833
So I always say trust your body, trust your knowing.

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And and at first it isn't comfortable, right, especially if you're like the it's a group, you're the only person doing something different, but guess what?

00:32:49.757 --> 00:32:52.940
Then you give permission to the person next to you to do something different.

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Who gives permission to the person next to them to do something different?

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And it goes on and on.

00:32:56.845 --> 00:32:59.894
And this goes just beyond even circle or ceremony or breath work.

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Like if the more authentically, unapologetically you can show up in your daily life without giving a fuck what anyone else thinks, you give permission to everyone else around you, right?

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Your partner, your kids, your friends, your coworkers, everyone.

00:33:15.017 --> 00:33:16.106
So it's like.

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But it takes a level of trust, it takes a level of knowing what that expression even looks like, right?

00:33:21.516 --> 00:33:27.267
Because a lot of people come in and they're like I don't even know who I am anymore, I don't even know where to start, I don't know if I want to stand up.

00:33:27.267 --> 00:33:28.068
I don't even know where to start.

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I don't know if I want to stand up, I don't know if I need a child's pose, I don't know if I need to scream or cry.

00:33:31.454 --> 00:33:33.898
So it takes, because we're so overstimulated too.

00:33:33.898 --> 00:33:42.244
So it really does take that stillness and that quieting to come back to center and to say okay, well, what is the most authentic expression of myself?

00:33:42.765 --> 00:33:47.032
You know being able to do that, where you do express yourself and you don't care what other people think.

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I think that that takes a lot of courage to do that.

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But the more that I do that, the more that I realize how many people that are around me that witness that, that rely on me doing that, so that that does sink in with them and really permeate the top layer for them to realize I have permission to do these things myself.

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And so I think you know for everyone that's listening, understanding you, being yourself, you being the wild, crazy version of yourself and not giving a shit what other people think is what we need more of in this world, because other people feed off of that.

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Your children see that and see like, wow, okay, I don't have to.

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Also like, try to keep it held together, I can be, you know, wild and free and do my own thing, or friends or whoever it is.

00:34:28.849 --> 00:34:31.034
It gives people permission to not feel like we have to be.

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So you know, in in the box for stuff we're not meant to do that.

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Right.

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And then the other thing that happens in circle you just reminded me of that I think is so potent is that we enter a circle, right, and we see how people look, or we have a preconceived notion of them or we think people.

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This happens all the time.

00:34:45.692 --> 00:34:52.826
We think people have all their shit together, right, we look at someone and we portray, our mind portrays them in a certain way, and we're like everyone else has their shit together.

00:34:52.826 --> 00:34:54.773
It's only me that's forever figuring it out.

00:34:54.773 --> 00:34:59.630
But then we set our intentions, we share, and you're like I'm going through that.

00:34:59.871 --> 00:35:04.628
I'm going through that I'm going through that and it's like, you see, it's a universal human experience.

00:35:04.628 --> 00:35:06.791
We're all figuring our shit out.

00:35:06.791 --> 00:35:09.757
No one has their shit together, right, exactly you know what I mean.

00:35:09.777 --> 00:35:14.952
Yeah, well, and that's for me, the platform of this podcast is being able to share that, so that people that are listening go.

00:35:14.952 --> 00:35:18.407
Okay, you know, because they see you, come on, you're this beautiful woman.

00:35:18.407 --> 00:35:31.780
And then to have you say like here's the struggles that I've gone through or here's the stuff that I've dealt my my niece, who is my absolute fave fan.

00:35:31.780 --> 00:35:37.186
She came on the episode a couple of weeks ago and her just being able to say, you know, there's this girl who's?

00:35:37.186 --> 00:35:43.088
She's blonde and she's pretty and she's all of the things right, and I'm not that and I'm like that girl's going through the same stuff you are.

00:35:43.248 --> 00:35:48.516
You know, if you look at somebody and you're like, oh, that person looks like she's got it all together, you know, no, she doesn't.

00:35:48.516 --> 00:35:50.057
We literally it doesn't matter.

00:35:50.057 --> 00:35:52.681
We all are literally just trying to do the best that we can.

00:35:52.681 --> 00:35:55.306
It's messy, it's you know, it's all of the things.

00:35:55.306 --> 00:36:09.576
Smile at somebody, be kind to someone, do the nice things, don't don't think that they're you know, maybe just because she has a resting bitch face, you're not goingceived notions.

00:36:10.157 --> 00:36:19.626
And it's like when we sit in circle, we sit in ceremony, when we set our intentions, it's like, oh nope, we're actually all human, we're all figuring it out regardless of what it looks like on the outside.

00:36:19.626 --> 00:36:25.538
So it's so unifying, like you know, like we're all just in it together, yeah.

00:36:25.717 --> 00:36:28.467
I'm gonna have to have Creighton come down and do a session with us.

00:36:28.467 --> 00:36:38.400
One thing that I was thinking that I wanted to share with our listeners is one of the things that you do at the beginning of the session is okay, we're going to set our intentions.

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.166
You mentioned that I'm going to set my intentions for what we're going to release and then we're going to.

00:36:43.166 --> 00:36:51.311
So we spend like the first half of the ceremony releasing whatever it is and then set the second half, where you kind of shift gears and then we call in something.

00:36:51.311 --> 00:36:59.336
I mentioned that because I think a lot of people don't realize if they're waiting for something in life where it's like, okay, why isn't this happening for me?

00:36:59.336 --> 00:37:01.210
Why isn't, why am I not getting this?

00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:05.206
If you don't realize that you have to release stuff to have room to call that in.

00:37:05.786 --> 00:37:09.291
And it seems like when I say it out loud it almost seems like such a silly concept.

00:37:09.291 --> 00:37:15.501
But if you don't like really have a vivid awareness of that, you wouldn't realize like, yeah, it totally makes sense.

00:37:15.501 --> 00:37:23.856
If my vessel is full, I got to get rid of some shit so that I can call in the goodness you know, and so when you watch that, it's like it's it's powerful.

00:37:23.985 --> 00:37:25.813
Yes, I mean, we got to create the space right.

00:37:25.813 --> 00:37:29.596
It's like, if we're calling especially big vision, big things, right?

00:37:29.596 --> 00:37:30.896
It's like, well, where is that going to land?

00:37:30.896 --> 00:37:32.637
Where's the literal space for that?

00:37:32.637 --> 00:37:39.885
So I think that release is so powerful to come first because we can create that space and you can physically feel it with the breath work.

00:37:39.885 --> 00:37:46.670
It's like you're releasing, you're having you know your tears or movement or whatever it is, and then, all of a sudden, you come to a point and you do.

00:37:46.670 --> 00:37:52.621
You feel that likeness, you feel a shift and you feel some space created in your body, in your mind, in your spirit.

00:37:52.621 --> 00:37:55.126
That's the time to start calling stuff in.

00:37:55.146 --> 00:38:01.628
You know, that's the time to say, okay, what is it my soul wants, what is it my soul needs, what is it my heart wants?

00:38:01.628 --> 00:38:04.251
Right, what am I ready for now?

00:38:04.251 --> 00:38:10.559
But until we have that space created to try and jam more stuff in there, right, it doesn't work.

00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.166
No, I mean, you know.

00:38:12.166 --> 00:38:20.157
And then the other thing that can happen it's like if we're really really actively calling something in and trying to jam it in, well, something else is going to have to go, right.

00:38:20.157 --> 00:38:26.606
And so it's like we can either be conscious about what's what's leaving, or it can just OK, well then.

00:38:26.606 --> 00:38:28.208
And then that's when things fall apart, right.

00:38:28.208 --> 00:38:33.039
Then that's like those tower moments when things have to crumble before a new way enters, right.

00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:45.757
So it's like, why not be conscious, why not be mindful, why not be intentional with what it is we're releasing, so that we don't have to go to that precipice, so that we don't have to go all the way to that tower moment when everything falls apart.

00:38:45.757 --> 00:38:47.427
And then it's like, well, well now there's space.

00:38:47.588 --> 00:38:55.519
Right now there's room, because there's pieces laying all over the ground, which is kind of how I did my initial that's very common.

00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.327
Yeah, that's very common because for a lot of people that's what it takes, yeah well, we think we can hold it all together.

00:39:00.407 --> 00:39:08.775
It's like no no, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this then you're like shit, I don't have this, in fact, everywhere it's everywhere, yeah, your like.

00:39:08.775 --> 00:39:10.179
So tell me a little bit about what.

00:39:10.179 --> 00:39:13.782
How did you get to this point of starting to do this, or just even starting your?

00:39:13.782 --> 00:39:19.793
You know, I call it an awakening, of getting to this point of like being done with the rinse, lather, repeat, understanding there's something more out there.

00:39:19.793 --> 00:39:20.215
What is that?

00:39:20.215 --> 00:39:20.659
You know?

00:39:20.659 --> 00:39:23.186
What did your journey kind of look like to get to that point?

00:39:23.206 --> 00:39:25.050
Totally so, I think where.

00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:31.800
So when I was young, I was always very interested in like different spiritual things and concepts, et cetera, like reading books and stuff very young.

00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:40.411
And then you know, through that 12, 13, I just got lost in the sauce and I was just out being wild, having fun and then I got sober.

00:39:40.411 --> 00:39:49.197
So I was 21 when I got sober and at that point, well, you know, when you get sober, it's like everything falls away.

00:39:49.197 --> 00:39:52.293
So everyone I'd been hanging out with you know, when you get sober, it's like everything falls away.

00:39:52.293 --> 00:39:53.436
So everyone I'd been hanging out with you know fell away.

00:39:53.436 --> 00:39:57.889
Everyone that, like, all the activities I'd been doing fell away, all my interests fell away.

00:39:57.889 --> 00:39:59.411
So I was like, well, what's left?

00:39:59.411 --> 00:40:09.159
Yeah, and what's left was that I was, oh yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm interested in meditation, I'm interested in self-expansion, I'm interested in these other transcendental experiences.

00:40:09.601 --> 00:40:19.753
So I kind of started diving in and coming back to that original stuff that I'd been drawn to but got distracted from, and from there I just kept finding the next right thing.

00:40:19.753 --> 00:40:22.530
It's like when you're, it's like when you're following the breadcrumbs.

00:40:22.530 --> 00:40:23.313
You know what I mean.

00:40:23.313 --> 00:40:30.079
It's like you're just, you don't know what you're doing, but you're going to that next step and then all of a sudden you find that and you're like, oh, and then this opens up.

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:36.336
And then you find that and you're like, oh, now I have no idea what I'm doing here, but I'm in a shamanic ceremony, I'm having a soul retrieval ceremony.

00:40:36.336 --> 00:40:39.893
I don't even know what that means, but here I am remembering Right.

00:40:39.893 --> 00:40:51.148
And then from there it's like well, that was incredible, I need to finding a mentor.

00:40:51.148 --> 00:40:52.556
From there it's like years of my own healing down that path, right.

00:40:52.556 --> 00:40:54.483
And then it's my mentor telling me like now it's time to hold space for others.

00:40:54.483 --> 00:40:57.594
And then I'm like, well, I don't know what that looks like, and she's like just try it.

00:40:57.594 --> 00:40:59.686
And then I'm like this is amazing.

00:40:59.726 --> 00:41:01.349
Tried it, loved it, you know.

00:41:01.690 --> 00:41:24.530
So it's like following those next steps and I think so many people think that they have to have it all figured out or they have to, you know, know the exact path or their exact purpose or whatever it is, and it's like, no, we can just put one foot in front of the other and the right people, the right opportunities, the right experiences are going to come into our consciousness as we're ready for them.

00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:29.730
And it's knowing, being discerning enough to say that's a path I want to follow.

00:41:29.730 --> 00:41:32.056
You know, that's an experience I want to say yes to.

00:41:32.056 --> 00:41:49.695
That's a person I want to get to know more, whatever that looks like, right, so, but I would say getting sober was really the fundamental choice, because when I was drinking, when I was using my, I was getting signals and I was receiving messages, but like they were very dubious.

00:41:49.695 --> 00:41:50.989
What kind of spirit am I?

00:41:51.028 --> 00:41:51.831
connecting to here.

00:41:51.831 --> 00:41:52.815
You know what I mean.

00:41:53.065 --> 00:42:00.891
It was darker in nature for sure, and it was very diluted, also Like I wasn't a clear vessel, I wasn't a clear channel.

00:42:00.891 --> 00:42:03.532
So it's like it was a lot of different.

00:42:03.532 --> 00:42:11.184
You know even supernatural stuff happening, but it's like not of the highest good, not of the highest caliber, sure, you know so then happening, but it's like not of the highest good, not of the highest caliber, sure, you know so.

00:42:11.184 --> 00:42:22.726
Then it's like when you cleanse all that out and you are a clear vessel, then you can hear, then you can connect to God, then you can connect to your guides, then you can connect to your own intuition, your own knowing.

00:42:22.726 --> 00:42:38.706
So I think for me that's really what it took is a full clearing out of my vessel, of you know anything that was diluting the messages, anything that was diluting the energy, to really get to a clear, concise space to be able to hear, to be able to see.

00:42:39.487 --> 00:42:44.326
Oh, here it is, you know, yeah, no, I think that's really important and powerful.

00:42:44.346 --> 00:42:51.378
I think a lot of people that I run into do drink, do drugs, do whatever, numbing right.

00:42:51.945 --> 00:42:57.130
I call the big three, which is, you know, drugs and alcohol, food and TV and people just numb.

00:42:57.130 --> 00:43:21.077
If you have the courage to kind of try clearing that shit out, tuning in, listening right, getting quiet, it really does open up so much stuff and it's so much cooler than drinking every day or, you know, going home and watching TV, the amount of TV that is available to us, like you could turn on the TV now and do your whole life and just die and never watch something that's, you know, plays twice.

00:43:21.077 --> 00:43:22.389
What's the point?

00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:29.748
Right, you're watching other people live, like, get curious about yourself and your own life and plug into those things.

00:43:29.748 --> 00:43:34.614
To me, I think that's where the power is for stuff and to me, I think, holding space for other people.

00:43:34.614 --> 00:43:42.920
You know, for me, I feel like a couple of years ago, I feel like I've done it longer than that, but really more so like in the last couple of years, really understanding what I'm doing when I'm holding space for other people.

00:43:42.940 --> 00:43:44.021
It's my favorite.

00:43:44.021 --> 00:43:52.235
It's my favorite Favorite to watch other people transform and be able to have their own awakenings or their own progress on their journeys.

00:43:52.235 --> 00:43:53.557
It's everything.

00:43:53.739 --> 00:43:54.400
It's incredible.

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:55.065
Yeah, do you?

00:43:55.126 --> 00:44:02.014
prefer doing smaller like one-on-ones small groups, large groups or is it just kind of a mix for you as far as what your preference is?

00:44:02.114 --> 00:44:02.795
That's a great question.

00:44:02.795 --> 00:44:04.947
I think it depends on where my own energy is.

00:44:04.947 --> 00:44:09.313
So I actually have my first like big scale group event coming up next month.

00:44:09.432 --> 00:44:10.295
April 27th.

00:44:10.355 --> 00:44:13.378
And this is going to be my first big one like that.

00:44:13.378 --> 00:44:30.811
And, like I said, in like a couple of years, really I've been doing some small groups, I've been doing one-on-ones here and there, but I just had, for those that don't know, which is everyone probably I just had a couple of kids, so my son is now three and my daughter's one, and so really I've been doing a lot of holding space for them.

00:44:30.811 --> 00:44:35.996
And so when you know you have to, as a facilitator, you have to be mindful of your own energy right.

00:44:36.295 --> 00:44:41.942
You don't want to go into a container where it's a lot to hold space for and you don't have that space or you don't have that energy.

00:44:41.942 --> 00:44:47.630
So I've been really tuning in and right now is when, just this last month, I was like I'm feeling ready.

00:44:47.630 --> 00:44:49.273
I'm feeling excited.

00:44:49.273 --> 00:44:51.157
Not just ready, but excited.

00:44:51.157 --> 00:44:58.452
So when I do a big event like that, when I do really anything with my business, I want that excitement, I want that enthusiasm.

00:44:58.452 --> 00:45:03.710
Right, I don't want to do something just because you know it's by the book, or I need to do it, or it's time to do it, or so-and-so.

00:45:03.710 --> 00:45:05.172
Business coach said I have to do it.

00:45:05.172 --> 00:45:07.775
I want to do something because I'm really lit up about it.

00:45:07.835 --> 00:45:09.876
I want to do something because I feel so excited.

00:45:09.876 --> 00:45:12.460
I just can't wait to share about it with people you know.

00:45:12.501 --> 00:45:12.740
Yes.

00:45:13.164 --> 00:45:17.324
And so listening to that internal compass is kind of how I do those events.

00:45:17.324 --> 00:45:20.155
So for me I love holding space for big groups.

00:45:20.155 --> 00:45:28.416
I would say that's probably my favorite, and if I don't have the space to hold, that's not going to feel good for me or for anyone you know I'm holding space for.

00:45:28.836 --> 00:45:36.472
So I think it just depends, you know, because, like through those last couple of years, it's been really supportive for me to hold space for people one-on-one or in small groups.

00:45:36.472 --> 00:45:40.050
So I really love that as well, and everything brings its own dynamic.

00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:52.608
When it's just one person, we can really focus on their stuff right, like it's all them, it's their habits, their patterns, their guides, anything coming up for that exact person in this exact moment.

00:45:52.608 --> 00:45:55.795
When it's a small group, we're co-creating, you know.

00:45:55.795 --> 00:45:58.690
So it's your stuff and your stuff and your stuff.

00:45:58.690 --> 00:46:04.853
And now something you said might bring up something in this person, some way you express might open up something in this person.

00:46:04.853 --> 00:46:07.849
It's a co-creation and with a larger group even more so.

00:46:07.849 --> 00:46:16.465
So all are incredible and I would say for me, I do enjoy them all, but it really depends on what season, what cycle I'm personally in in my life.

00:46:16.525 --> 00:46:22.985
Yeah, when did you, like you talk about having yourself be clean and clear and like ready to do that?

00:46:22.985 --> 00:46:32.617
Did you ever feel like you had blocks that you had to work through, I'm guessing, to kind of get to this place where you could really do that Like big blocks at the beginning, before you even kind of started to do that?

00:46:32.617 --> 00:46:34.690
Oh, yeah, girlfriend, yeah, big stuff right.

00:46:34.831 --> 00:46:35.313
Big stuff.00:46:35.313 --> 00:46:40.347


Yes, I mean, like I said, the first few years of my shamanic healing journey I was just working on all my own stuff.00:46:40.347 --> 00:46:45.592


You know, I never in my mind that it even occurred to me that one day I would hold that kind of space for someone else.00:46:45.652 --> 00:46:46.934


Yes and same with the breath work.00:46:46.934 --> 00:46:51.199


When I first discovered breath work, I wasn't like, you know, I need to do this as work.00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.141


I was like, holy shit, this is so effective.00:46:53.141 --> 00:46:54.606


What else can I clear out?00:46:54.606 --> 00:46:54.927


Yes.00:46:54.927 --> 00:46:56.610


How else can this help heal me?00:46:56.610 --> 00:46:58.655


How else can I lighten my own load?00:46:58.655 --> 00:46:59.097


Yeah.00:46:59.097 --> 00:47:06.835


And so then, with both modalities, it's like you get to a place eventually where you're like I'm feeling pretty good, yeah, and like, holy shit, everyone should know about this.00:47:06.835 --> 00:47:08.257


You know, I think too.00:47:08.336 --> 00:47:10.500


I'm like I want to scream this from the rooftops.00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.286


I really do, and I feel like a lunatic because I'm like, hey guys, there's another way.00:47:14.286 --> 00:47:24.686


We don't have to be like in this rinse, lather, repeat bullshit, where we're just dragging around our childhoods like wrecking balls and not even fucking realizing it, like so many people don't even realize it.00:47:24.686 --> 00:47:32.356


And now that my mind has been open to this and I look at people, I I literally feel like I'm watching a whole different layer, like a whole different frequency of things that are happening.00:47:32.356 --> 00:47:39.043


And all of those people and myself included before I kind of woke up about that causing our own suffering.00:47:39.384 --> 00:47:46.309


We just cause our own suffering because we don't it is right, and it's like, and I just watch it happen and I'm like there's a different way.00:47:46.369 --> 00:47:50.057


Come on, guys, I found a different way and I'm like this is not new.00:47:50.057 --> 00:47:54.849


This is not a new concept, what you and I are talking about.00:47:54.849 --> 00:47:56.536


Why has someone else not yelled louder, you know, or are people just not listening?00:47:56.536 --> 00:47:57.117


I mean, I don't even.00:47:57.117 --> 00:47:58.945


I don't know where that is, but I feel that same way.00:47:58.945 --> 00:48:01.288


I'm like, oh my God, I want to scream it from the rooftops.00:48:01.307 --> 00:48:09.637


This feels so incredibly good, without drugs, without alcohol, without destroying your life without right you know you know what it is, and is you got to be ready to see?00:48:09.697 --> 00:48:09.757


it.00:48:09.817 --> 00:48:21.349


Yeah, no, you're right you got to be ready to go there, because for some people they're in that cycle but they're just not ready to open their eyes, whether the pain is too great or the trauma too much or whatever it is.00:48:21.349 --> 00:48:26.443


Until you're really ready, no one can push you into that.00:48:26.443 --> 00:48:29.673


No, you're right, and you know, I see this sometimes too with plant medicine.00:48:29.673 --> 00:48:33.052


People go on a plant medicine journey and then that medicine will take you there.00:48:33.273 --> 00:48:39.106


It will show you, it takes you, you know, and it's like, but then how is that integration If you're not ready and willing to see?00:48:39.106 --> 00:48:40.670


And yet it takes you there anyways.00:48:40.670 --> 00:48:44.606


It's like it can be very jarring and coming back and integrating into daily life.00:48:44.606 --> 00:48:50.817


So I think, with the breath it's a bit more gentle, in that you can see as much as you're ready to.00:48:50.817 --> 00:48:56.436


You know what I mean, because it is Once you start awakening, once you start seeing, you can't unsee.00:48:57.106 --> 00:49:03.626


You just see more and more and more and, like you said, it gives you a different perspective, it gives you a different lens and it's life-changing.00:49:03.626 --> 00:49:08.271


The same people that used to resonate, that you used to love hanging out with, it might just not be aligned.00:49:08.271 --> 00:49:14.579


The you know, even close family members, the way that they communicate, the way they talk you're like really, you know sometimes.00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:17.041


Or people at work.00:49:17.041 --> 00:49:22.425


So it's like the more you start waking up, it can be very lonely and it can be very isolating.00:49:22.425 --> 00:49:29.132


So you know, it's like it's a process and it's a journey and I think you really got to be ready to go there.00:49:29.132 --> 00:49:32.614


So you know we can scream from the rooftops, which I do, I know you do.00:49:32.724 --> 00:49:37.456


We want to share it with everyone, but until people are really ready to go there, really ready to see.00:49:37.456 --> 00:49:39.644


It's the same thing with sobriety.00:49:39.644 --> 00:49:42.775


You know, people can tell you a million times you're wrecking your life.00:49:42.775 --> 00:49:44.286


What are you doing?00:49:44.286 --> 00:49:45.067


Stop.00:49:45.067 --> 00:49:46.447


And you're like no, I've got to figure it out.00:49:46.447 --> 00:49:55.215


No, if I just tweak this or if I just move it like that, or no, if I only drink that, or if I do it like this or only on the weekends, we think we can control it, we think we can figure it out.00:49:55.215 --> 00:50:01.260


And it's like until all of a sudden, we're like okay, we surrender Our eyes are open.00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.561


We can't figure it out.00:50:05.724 --> 00:50:06.768


So I think it's similar with a spiritual awakening.00:50:06.768 --> 00:50:11.159


It's like you're going through life and you're like I can do it like this or like that or that, and all of a sudden it's like oh, you know what?00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.949


What else is out there, right yeah?00:50:14.431 --> 00:50:15.373


No, I got exhausted.00:50:15.373 --> 00:50:17.597


In my, you know, it's like I can't do this anymore.00:50:17.597 --> 00:50:26.036


I'm literally ruining my own life because obviously, when you're twisted up in drugs and alcohol, you're not thinking clearly, you're not channeling it, like all of the things.00:50:26.757 --> 00:50:32.362


And a million people can tell you, but until you're ready to hear, until you're ready to see, you're not going to see it.00:50:32.541 --> 00:50:37.797


That's true, you know, it's like until you come to that decision with yourself, with God, you're not ready to go there.00:50:37.797 --> 00:50:45.487


And so I think the same, as you know, with spiritual waking, it's like you can tell people like what are you doing, why?00:50:45.487 --> 00:50:59.398


You know it's going to be that same cycle, but the best thing we can do is coming back to what we were talking about in the beginning is living by example, focusing on ourselves, pouring into ourselves and then letting that be a living example of what's possible right.00:50:59.818 --> 00:51:00.518


Same with sobriety.00:51:00.518 --> 00:51:04.322


I remember when I got sober, I wasn't going around telling people hey, you should get sober too.00:51:04.322 --> 00:51:05.322


Hey, you should get sober too.00:51:05.322 --> 00:51:12.708


Whatever do what you want to do.00:51:12.708 --> 00:51:15.282


But my life improved so significantly, so fast, that people around me were like well, holy shit, I want to try this.00:51:15.302 --> 00:51:16.606


Well, and that's what I get too right.00:51:16.606 --> 00:51:21.585


Literally, I have people that come, you know, that are in my circle, that come in like what is it that you're doing?00:51:21.585 --> 00:51:23.128


Because I want what you have.00:51:23.128 --> 00:51:33.539


Right and this is over the last, however, many years I'm like come on, I'll show you the way exactly, and so it is it's more like attraction rather than promotion, which of course they say in, yes, in getting sober.00:51:33.579 --> 00:51:37.954


But it definitely is attraction rather than promotion with any of this stuff, and so it's like yes.00:51:38.014 --> 00:51:39.226


I want to scream it from the rooftops.00:51:39.226 --> 00:51:47.251


But the more I scream from the rooftops, people probably think I'm a lunatic because I'm like hey you're like unless it's those people ready to hear it, sure you?00:51:47.271 --> 00:51:47.672


know which.00:51:47.672 --> 00:51:50.777


They're out there too and they're just looking for a way, which is why I'm so happy.00:51:50.777 --> 00:51:57.740


This is becoming mainstream, because the people that are, and we also, have so much information available to us now more than ever.00:51:57.740 --> 00:51:59.086


Yeah right, it's like before.00:51:59.086 --> 00:52:01.739


Even when I first discovered breathwork, I was looking online.00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:03.849


There wasn't a ton out there yeah now.00:52:03.969 --> 00:52:06.398


I mean there's breathwork, you know, on youtube.00:52:06.398 --> 00:52:10.485


There's breathwork everywhere, insight time, like so much available information.00:52:10.485 --> 00:52:19.278


So, for the people that are ready, for the people that do have their eyes open, the community is out there, the support is out there, all of the resources are out there.00:52:19.358 --> 00:52:29.393


We live in an incredible time we do the breathworks that I've done with different practitioners over the years, it ranges in, I'm going to say, intensity.00:52:29.393 --> 00:52:35.335


I think I've told you this before and I was embarrassed to tell you, but I'm going to say it again because I think it's hilarious.00:52:35.335 --> 00:52:50.208


I've done breathworks with people that was like a hand job in middle school and I would describe Ksenia as a blow job in prison on the scale of breathworks, because this is like holy shit, blow your doors off.00:52:50.208 --> 00:52:57.269


And that's why I love to do it with just you and one other person, because if someone's interested in it and I come, bring them to you and they're like what the fuck just happened.00:52:57.269 --> 00:53:03.909


You know what I'm like yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am, that's a real thing, but like to know that that's out there and that's an option.00:53:04.309 --> 00:53:05.490


Have you grown?00:53:05.490 --> 00:53:05.690


I guess?00:53:05.690 --> 00:53:08.273


My question is have you increased in intensity?00:53:08.273 --> 00:53:09.876


Have you always been this intense?00:53:09.876 --> 00:53:14.501


Have you gone and done breathworks with someone else that was on the milder scale of things?00:53:14.501 --> 00:53:16.733


You know, what can you say about that?00:53:16.733 --> 00:53:19.114


That's a great question and that's a hilarious analogy.00:53:20.786 --> 00:53:21.750


I'm soaking that in.00:53:21.750 --> 00:53:22.092


Thank you.00:53:22.092 --> 00:53:24.798


One of the greatest compliments I think I've ever gotten.00:53:25.164 --> 00:53:27.853


It's very Anne style right, just for everyone listening.00:53:27.853 --> 00:53:28.396


I'm here for that.00:53:28.396 --> 00:53:28.876


That's very Anne style.00:53:28.876 --> 00:53:29.617


Right, just for everyone listening.00:53:29.637 --> 00:53:30.137


I'm here for that.00:53:30.137 --> 00:53:30.858


That's very my style as well.00:53:30.858 --> 00:53:35.585


So I would say, you know both, I've definitely I've increased in my confidence, right.00:53:35.585 --> 00:53:40.231


So it's like when you first start, you know, facilitating holding space, like I would have something written down.00:53:40.231 --> 00:53:42.746


I'm like, you know, at 2 pm we start this At 2.15.00:53:42.746 --> 00:53:52.077


I talk about this and now it's like I trust, after leading thousands of people through this, I know that whatever's going to come through is going to come through for the greatest good of everyone there.00:53:52.077 --> 00:53:57.023


Yes, so so that intensity can also build, because I'm more comfortable holding that intensity.00:53:57.063 --> 00:54:03.097


Do you see what I mean I do yes, so I think, as as you, whatever it is that you do, the more comfortable you get doing it.00:54:03.097 --> 00:54:11.416


Also, the more you trust yourself, the more confidence you have around it, the greater that space you hold can be, and that goes for probably any field, I would imagine.00:54:11.416 --> 00:54:16.793


So, yes, that intensity has grown, and also I'm a fucking intense person just off the bat.00:54:16.793 --> 00:54:18.320


That's kind of what I was talking about before.00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:26.351


Right, my personality, the things that I've experienced, the things that I've gone through, they allow for me to really hold big, deep space.00:54:26.451 --> 00:54:26.771


Right.00:54:27.472 --> 00:54:29.998


And not everyone is ready for that kind of space also.00:54:29.998 --> 00:54:40.525


So that's why I'm so happy there's so many facilitators out there nowadays, because there's a facilitator for everyone right Like my type resonates with you because you're an intense, you know individual yeah.00:54:40.545 --> 00:54:41.668


Because we like it like that.00:54:41.668 --> 00:54:45.637


We like it powerful, deep, transformative, raw right.00:54:45.637 --> 00:54:47.128


But not everyone is ready for that.00:54:47.128 --> 00:54:50.056


Some other breathwork facilitators they might hold more gently.00:54:50.056 --> 00:55:02.798


You know, I've attended different types of breathwork where it's more gentle, more calm, more peaceful, more you know, which is beautiful too, and some people might resonate with that, yeah Right.00:55:02.798 --> 00:55:10.773


So I think that it's good to have these varying levels of breath, these varying facilitators, because someone can find something that really speaks to where they're at in that moment.00:55:10.773 --> 00:55:21.478


And then, who knows, five years from then, maybe they're ready for that mind-blowing, intense, you know wild experience, right, or maybe they want to stay with a more gentle.00:55:21.684 --> 00:55:37.818


You know, everyone's approach is so different and I think we really, as facilitators, bring in not only our own experience but also our own personalities and also all of the tools in our toolbox and also all of our learned life experiences, our wisdom, our knowledge.00:55:37.818 --> 00:55:40.731


So it really makes for a unique perspective.00:55:40.731 --> 00:55:45.255


You know, and I've, I've attended when I first found breath, I would attend anything that was out there.00:55:45.255 --> 00:55:53.431


I mean, at the time, you know, 10 years ago, there wasn't a ton of events like today, so I would drive an hour, two hours just to go attend someone's breath work and everyone's style is different.00:55:53.431 --> 00:55:59.570


And I love that, yes, you know, because it's a unique experience, it's a unique lens, it's a different perspective.00:55:59.570 --> 00:56:13.065


So I think, you know, if everyone was intense as me, I don't know if that would be a good thing, you know.00:56:13.065 --> 00:56:20.099


So I think it's good that there's so many different facilitators and so many different ways of holding the space and so many different just forms of the breath.00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.592


You know Just expressions of the breath as well.00:56:22.592 --> 00:56:26.224


So to answer your question, it is intense.00:56:26.224 --> 00:56:33.692


Yes, and I have built in intensity, yes, and also I think it's beautiful that there's other types of breath out there as well.00:56:33.911 --> 00:56:45.525


You know, I used to think everyone like if you weren't doing things the same way I am doing things, I'm like kind of poo pooing that you know, and that's I think part of where like judgment comes in of why are you not doing things the way?00:56:45.525 --> 00:56:51.072


And then I've realized later in life a lot with this podcast, hearing other people's perspectives of me.00:56:51.072 --> 00:56:52.894


I'm an intense person.00:56:52.894 --> 00:56:54.356


I am, I am.00:56:54.356 --> 00:56:56.539


I live out loud, I live in full color.00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.530


I am, you know, top of the rooftop kind of gal?00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:06.735


I'm a cannonballer, all of those things, but I think that that sets me up well for what it is that I'm doing, which it is.00:57:06.735 --> 00:57:16.771


I'm passionate about the stuff that I'm doing and I can also respect other people that have a softer approach, a softer side, that maybe aren't looking for the prison blowjob.00:57:16.771 --> 00:57:17.932


Jesus, right, right.00:57:21.364 --> 00:57:22.208


What happens in this?00:57:22.288 --> 00:57:24.655


brain is just a lot of nonsense.00:57:24.655 --> 00:57:26.851


Belinda's over there cringing going.00:57:26.851 --> 00:57:31.034


How much shit am I going to have to mute out of this episode?00:57:31.034 --> 00:57:31.996


No, this is amazing.00:57:32.125 --> 00:57:45.875


This is amazing because we're showing up authentically and I will say, speaking to that right, sometimes someone will be in a group and they'll be breathing kind of soft and you know, gentle, and whatever, and I'm like, oh you know, maybe they're not having much of an experience.00:57:45.875 --> 00:57:48.775


And then they share afterwards and they're like that was mind blowing.00:57:48.775 --> 00:57:53.907


I had all these visions, I had this.00:57:53.927 --> 00:57:55.570


I had that and I'm like, oh, holy shit, that was just their expression of it, you know.00:57:55.570 --> 00:58:02.355


So I think it looks different for a lot of, a lot of people, you know, and we can't ever judge what someone's experience is just from the outside.00:58:02.355 --> 00:58:12.125


We never know what's happening inside right so I think too, the breath has shown me that everyone's expression is so different, and it's beautiful it is.00:58:12.346 --> 00:58:16.626


It is beautiful, and being able to really appreciate those differences, I think, makes a huge difference.00:58:16.626 --> 00:58:23.969


Yes, um, I was just gonna ask you something and it just completely ran out of my head, so we're just not gonna ask that.00:58:23.969 --> 00:58:28.346


I guess, if there's so much going on that it makes me like, oh, I want to ask this.00:58:28.346 --> 00:58:28.907


I want to ask this.00:58:28.967 --> 00:58:30.811


I want to ask this but, um, anyways.00:58:30.931 --> 00:58:33.818


So okay, well, is there anything else that you want to share?00:58:33.818 --> 00:58:45.407


Would you like to tell people how to find you and come, or I can just put it on the, the notes, or however it is that you'd like to do that, but I think everyone should absolutely look into it and try it and figure it out thank you.00:58:45.467 --> 00:58:48.893


So the best way to find me is I actually just started a brand new Instagram.00:58:48.893 --> 00:58:50.675


It's called your Sacred Channel.00:58:50.675 --> 00:58:55.570


So this is like launched this week, so it's brand new, so definitely follow along on there.00:58:55.570 --> 00:58:56.954


I'll be sharing more about my work.00:58:56.954 --> 00:59:00.467


I'll be sharing more about my events, my one-on-one sessions.00:59:00.467 --> 00:59:03.831


It's going to be a powerful platform for it, so I'm really excited.00:59:03.831 --> 00:59:23.585


And also Abundance Space, both on Instagram, on Facebook, and my website is wwwabundantspaceforallcom, and that is where so I do have a meditation center in Scottsdale and that runs like a whole umbrella of different facilitators and events and incredible community happening.00:59:23.585 --> 00:59:25.291


So definitely tap in with that.00:59:25.291 --> 00:59:34.014


And also, just if you ever have any questions about anything spiritual, anything breath, any experience you've had, I'm very accessible.00:59:34.014 --> 00:59:35.137


I'm very available.00:59:35.137 --> 00:59:37.586


I want to make this understandable to people.00:59:37.586 --> 00:59:40.197


I want to support people in their experience.00:59:40.197 --> 00:59:41.643


I'm happy to hold your hand.00:59:41.643 --> 00:59:43.045


So just reach out to me.00:59:43.327 --> 00:59:51.326


I am so, so, so available to chat so, thank no, ksenia is absolutely one of my favorite people on the planet.00:59:51.326 --> 01:00:02.733


Like you, hold space in such a beautiful way and have definitely changed my life and my journey, and I continue, like I said, to drag other people in my circle.01:00:03.795 --> 01:00:07.309


I'm here for it, I know so yes, I can't say enough good things.01:00:07.369 --> 01:00:11.038


So, yeah, reach out if you have questions and definitely explore that.01:00:11.038 --> 01:00:13.414


So that's the end of our time today.01:00:13.414 --> 01:00:16.894


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